Franklin High School - Post Yearbook (Portland, OR)

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SCIENCE VS. PHILOSOPHY K. Ellsworth Payne, a science teacher at Portland State College, was the speaker at the third Franklin Forum. His topic was: The scientist in the world of philosophy. Dr. Payne noted that at the time ofAristotle, there was no difference between a scientist and a philosopher. Gradually they have moved apart, and today there is a large contrast. With Francis Bacon came the cleavage, he taught that science couldbe put to a practical use and thus transform society. Dr. Payne expressed the feeling that science pro- duces practical results, while philos- ophy is merely aesthetic in nature. He said that scientists apply their ideas and theories, while philosophers sit on their rocks with their chin on their hands. Dr. K. Ellsworth Payne Dr. Payne studied and did his under- graduate work at Brigham Young Uni- versity, and did his graduate Work at Oregon State. Presently he holds the position of assistant to the chairman of the Division of Science and is an Associate Professor of General Science at Portland State College.,

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David Foster, assistant Professor of Art at the University of Oregon., was the speaker at the second Franklin Forum on November 22. Mr., Foster's topic was: Contemporary art, a reflection of philosophy? In answering this question, Mr. Foster pointed out that the largest gain from a Work of art is received by the artist who created it, and not by the viewers. I-Ie also wanted to emphasize the process. It is not that the product isn't important, but we sometimes examine the result to check the process. Art differs from literature because a painting, for in- stnce, prou-ays life in a simultaneous manner, whereas, a novel portrays it in asequential form. ln this respect, ideas can be transferred quicker through art. Again placing emphasis on the process, Mr. Foster said to remember, The way to something probably is as important as, or more important than, the place.

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W s POETRY, . . Dr. Stafford, with an emphasis on interaction between himself and the Forum, spoke on the Poet in a Tech- nological World. By frequent allusions to contemporary poets and poetry, Dr. Stafford made his point emphat- ically. Perhaps the most memorable ofhis references was to a poem by e. e. cummings called How Town. This is the story of a town whose mem- bers know how to do all things, but not why they do them. The point here was, that the scientist can tell us how to do things, but we need poets and other philosophers to tell us why we do them. The poet is an integral part of a technological world. The members of the Forum were hon- ored when Dr. Stafford recited one of his recently published works for them. Thispoem The Poets' Annual Indigence Report expresses his views onthe topic of this Forum, and is re- printedhere, in part, by permission of Dr. Stafford and Harper and Row, Publishers. Dr. William Stafford Dr. William Stafford went to college in his home state at the University of Kansas. He earned his Bachelor of I-Itunanities degree there, and later earned his Ph, D. at the State Uni- versity of Ohio. He has been teach- ing the Humanities, creative writing, and nineteenth and twentieth century English literature at Lewis and Clark College for twelve years. For his lit- erary works he has been honored with the Shelley Memorial Award and a National Book Award. He has author- ed the following books: Down in My Heart, West ofYou.r City, and Travel- ing Through the Dark. The Poets' Annual Indigence Report Tonight beyond the determined moon, aloft with nothing left that is voluntary for delight, everything uttering hydrogen, your thinkers are mincing along through a hail of contingencies, While we all--floating though we are, lonesome though we are, lost in hydrogen--we live by seems things: when things just are, then something else will be doing the living. Doing is not enough, being is not enough, knowing is far from enough. So we clump around, putting feet on the dazzle floor, awaiting the real schedule by celebrating the dazzle schedule. . . . Our shadows ride over the grss, your shadows, ours:-- Rich men, wise men, be our contemporaries. From TRAVELIN G THROUGH TI-IE DARK by William Stafford. fl-Iarper 8 Row, Publishers, Incorporated, 1962j 10